Need card #421 · Relevance Medium · Status New

Alternative for gradient computation in non-traditional environments

Updated 10/12/2026, 22:08:13

Problem

Commenters note that gradient computation is limited in non-traditional environments (e.g., RNNs without BPTT or where loss.backward cannot be called directly). Yet skepticism persists, regarding such methods' efficiency and practical impact compared to standard gradient descent.

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Evidence

quote · @匿名
Since reading that paper, I've had a lot of fun trying to apply this technique to settings I would describe as 'a traditional differentiable neural network being applied in a non-traditional environment where you can't just call loss.backward and hope for the best'.
quote · @匿名
This is super yawn-worthy. Instead of backprop for the exact gradient you can run forward passes a thousand times with perturbed weights and get a Monte Carlo estimate of the gradient. Not very clever. Extremely NOT useful.

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